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Lol Dan. nice post!
re, Bran’s head and the coming of the Normans; The welsh Triads lament (as one of many three tragedies) Arthur, removing Bran’s Head, deeming that only he, (Arthur) should protect Britain and no other force; so Brans head wasnt there when the Normans arrived.
Interesting tho, are the many ‘head’ connections to the Holy Grail, and that Joseph of Arimathea is connected to the Grail. Bran is called ‘The Blessed’ because he is responsible for inviting Christianity to the British Isles, which if legends are true, came in the guise of Jo of A… So there is a connection (albeit it really vague) between Bran and the Graal.
Another curio, is that the so-called “Normans’ (although some were of Viking descent) the majority were old ‘Celtic/Btittonic’ aristocracy of Brittany and Normandy….. So the coming of the Normans can also be seen as the return of the Britons…. the Saxons never made a hero out of Arthur, that never happened until Norman Briton… why should Vikings make a hero out of an old Welsh King?
Hi Michael,
Very interesting. I came to all this from a ‘Graal’ research perspective, in the first grail book (arguably) ‘The High History of the Holy Graal’ the Graal is simply described as the ‘Sacred Vessel’ (not a cup) of the last supper, and the earliest Welsh story ‘Peredur’ describes it as ‘a head swimming in blood’.
Contemporary medieval sources describe a ‘Graal’ or ‘Geraldis’ as a large platter… specifically a communal ‘buffet’ type thing. a very large dish, upon which would be placed a large joint of meat, around which would be a moat of gravy… you take off what meat you want, dunk it into the gravy and enjoy the rest of the banquet.
So ‘large platter’ and a ‘head swimming in blood’… easy to connect to Salome who asked for John’s head on a platter… reading between the lines, it appears that Jesus had John’s spirit (the head on platter)…. The High History says the Graal is the Sacred Vessel of the last supper,
Here, (John 13:26)
“Jesus answered, “It is the one to whom I will give this piece of bread when I have dipped it in the dish”. Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon. as soon as Judas took the bread, Satan entered into him“.
(Matthew 26:23)
“Jesus said, “The one who has dipped his hands into the bowl with me will betray me”.
The curious thing too, with all this bread-dipping, is that it is Jesus himself who tells us to consider the ‘bread’ to be ‘flesh’… so he’s dipping ‘his’ flesh into ‘the bowl’ giving it to Judas, and as he does so, a dark spirit (satan) enters into Judas because (presumably) of what he has/ or is about to, consume?
It’s all very odd.
Quote:eating the flesh with some embodiment of power from the person eatenThat’s certainly very familiar to Jesus and his entourage; – ‘Drink this, this is my blood, eat this, this is my flesh’, type thing… ritual canabalism then practiced for thousands of years at every Catholic Mass… you dont really need to do a Mass backwards to create a ‘Black Mass’, it’s a pretty macabre thing already! lol
As I’ve said somewhere else, The Salome/John-the-B’s head part of the new testiment comes directly after Herod stressing that Jesus ‘has’ john’s spirit; then the Salome sketch is presented as if the two things were connected….. So the notion that Jesus and co believed in some kind (if only symbolic) self empowering canabalism is very interesting, and I think, all the more likely that they would desire J-the-B’s head; if only to use it to do miracles or have power over the people, as Herod was stressing.
I live in in glastonbury and the the Tor Maze is a very popular theory.
I’m not convinced though. I have walked it with Richard Ward and in theory its there but there is no real evidence other than Geofrey Ashe’s own publictaions about it… its possible but is also terribly contrived; and you have to squish things to make it work.
At best, I think you could say that there was definitly a processional route up the Tor, as a place of sun worship, but whether it fits the 7 rings, cretan maze type thing…. I’m not convinced.
Thanks for your post adamastor.
That’s a pretty grim piece of knowledge, hadnt heard of ‘Muti’ stuff before and have had a quick surf on the web about it.
Generally it seems to be less about medicine in a healing sense but more about self impowerment to become more successfull in business or finances etc. Still, the notion is the same; you take someone elses power to increase your own
Its a horrible notion but with regards to my ideas about Salome requesting John the Baptists head; I feel pretty certain now that it was less to do with spite and being vindictive but was really about having his spirit, owning his spirit…. Dark and unpallettable but fascinating.
Cheers
Yuri.
Interesting link
http://news.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=295602005
(quotes from…
“Sherlock Holmes is a product of Scottish mind, born in Scotland, trained in Scotland.
Conan Doyle was born in Edinburgh and studied medicine at Edinburgh University before practising as a doctor in England, where he began writing.”
…)
I think the dog sketch was great… lol
I had actually no knowledge at all of who Spring Heeled Jack was/is, so have read up on him on Wikipedia; here’s the link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Heeled_Jack
Fascinating story. brilliantly odd; without him we probably wouldnt have Freddie Krueger and ‘a nightmare on Elm Street’. SHJ seems to be the first, media-fuelled bogeyman/urban myth.
I dont know what to suggest though. SHJ may not be the right ‘jack’ anyway… I’ll sit on the fence, and think that maybe you need a bit more time for the story to unfold; holmes and jack; dont be too quick to wrap things up into a comprehensive package… I’d suggest letting things unfold and just keep making observations.
I’ve been to Edinburgh; it has a great ‘Victorian London’ feel in places.
Yep, I was going to suggest Castle Goch too; also Dunster castle has that germanic type feel.
But as I was redaing your post Vyxen I had ‘the red castle’ in my mind, which is what Castle Goch means… dont know about the Goblin though… didnt ring any bells, a bit too vague.
Always follow synchronicities…
I think that Holmes is a great archetype for questers, being a sleuth an all… whatever ‘name’ spirit chooses to wear, roll with it… test it, follow the path it leads you to, if it turns out to a be red herring then dont talk to ‘Holmes’ again.
Reminds me of the film ‘Ninth Gate’, and the main character asks the mysterious woman what her name is, she says ‘Guess?’ he says ‘green eyes’ and she says ‘that’ll do!’….. it could also be a veiled character clue to something connected with Holmes, maybe you’ll be lead off to Dartmoor and Baskerville territiories, or something similar.
I’d play with it, but seek some kind of intelliegent confirmation (signs in the physical realm) that its not just a prankster spirit.
I think you made a very observant and intelligent post there, Biddulph.
I’ve said before that not everything about Meonia is clear and healthy anyway.
Most of the ‘Heritage’ came from Andy and Graham’s ‘Joanna Sessions’, and the story sold to them by this spirit…
…Ahkenaten, Gwevaraugh, Arthur, Knights Templar, Bloody Mary (not Mary Queen of Scots) and the Gunpowder Plotters…
… was a real heady mix of all aspects of occult & esoteric historical eras. (How much is still written and still misunderstood and not known; – just on the Templars for instance. A spirit can bring a topic up, bend it how they want it, throw in an apport (to proove that all they say is true)… job done).
‘Joanna’ I dont believe, from what’s written in the books, was a particularly truthful or honest spirit. Often she was impatient; at times would say things that made no sense (Andy says so himself in the Seventh Sword). She said nothing about there being seven swords… when other swords popped up in the future it was a complete surprise to Graham and Andy.
When Graham and co pushed for more knowledge it resulted in the distructive ‘Eye of Fire’ events… portraying John Newton Langley as the face of evil, a victorian Black Alchemist out to do harm to all… My own studies (I lived in Bristol for a while, and so had he after Wolverhampton so I investigated his haunts)… this figurehead of occult evil, was a teacher at Bristol Uni, (a free-thinking establishment, ahead of its time because it educated women, as equally as men)… Langley and his wife, to make ends meet, took in a couple of students as lodgers (so he wasnt of great wealth) when his wife died he retired to his sons home (a vicar) and died in humble christian surroundings… Hardly the figurehead of evil as portrayed by the Meonia material… I find Bloody Mary (who had over 300 protestants burnt) and the Gunpowder Plotters (early religious terrorists) more alarming than I do John Newton Langley the school teacher.
Sure Ahkenaten, Arthur and the Templars/Rosicrucians are significant and fascinating things…. but they dont specifically belong to ‘Meonia’ nor do they qualify the ‘Joanna entity’ as a reliable historian of truthfulness.
I’ve learnt to keep a sceptical eye about it all.
I like Andy C’s observation that one of the best things to come out of this affair, is the fascinating response from so many people…
…On this forum too, the amount of new members in the past couple of weeks, and many with voices; has been a great thing.
The world is a massive, massive, massive place with still, so many stories to tell. Whatever ‘reality’ Meonia may or may not be, or whether the Green Stone is a spent and exhausted item (or not) doesnt really matter.
There is still a lot of questing to be done; the unfolding story has barely begun.
This website has massive potential to be a cyber-base where many can meet, help each other, inspire each other and move forward to understanding the bigger picture of everything. I hope all the members that were recently drawn here over the Green Stone affair, will stay around and start communicating ideas and feedback with the rest of psychicquesting.com.
All you have to do is start talking, focus on a theme, and magic will start happening, synchronicities in your life will occur, that’ll lead you on to new discoveries… and bigger synchronicities… let it happen.
Simon has set up a PsychicQuesting Encylopedia (like a questers Wikipedia) but its going to take all of us to create it into a working tool.
In the nicest possible way; stop watching and start getting involved.
Hi Dan
The Green Stone Tour never happened; basically for the reasons you quoted, it was expensive and grand, not enough people signed up to make it financially viable.
Andy C said that it may still take place again in a revised, cheaper more economic style (without the banquet at Harvington Hall and the like).
As to where the Green Stone has gone to, no one’s been told yet, so just keep your eye on pq.com; people will talk about it as soon as anything is known…
I just had a phone call from Andrew Collins and he’s asked me to quickly put a post up to say that he knew nothing about this situation, and was not consulted nor informed about any of the decisions that have been made… most alarmed that the closing date of the 11th of March was pushed aside for an immediate sell.
No doubt he’ll speak for himself in the near future.
But that’s it, matter closed and deed done.
Something else wierd too, another possiblility. I was reading ‘Foulcault’s Pendulum’ by Umberto Eco and he described 19th century occult alchemy, and the creation of an homonculi, (a ingredients to create this creature is something called ‘Hippomene’ (not sure if I have spelt it right); – specifically it is a bodily secretion from a Mare’s vagina… I wondered if this was relivant but who know?…. wierd people.
Here is a snippet from an article that I have just written for issue 8 of the Temple; its about the origins of the St Clair family, a place called St Clair- sur-Epte, about 15 miles from Gisors, would be worth checking out… there is a rather awesome statue there of St. Clair holding his decapitated head… No where else in Normandy has been brought to my attention at the moment…
(…finally settling down at a holy well around which grew the town of ‘St. Clair-sur-Epte’, about 15 miles southwest of Gisors.
The legend told by Philippe Sinclair is (in short) thus; An English noble woman had been spurned by St. Clair because he had refused to marry her! She sent two knights to find him and kill him (women spurned eh?) In time, the two knights arrive at the holy well where St. Clair had made his home. They ask him, ‘Do you know a man named St. Clair’? The hermit says that he doesn’t know anyone of that name, then, riddled with Christian guilt he confesses that he is the St. Clair that they are looking for. One knight then draws his sword and cuts off St. Clair’s head!
After he is decapitated the headless saint picks up his head and dips it into the holy well, then he carries it off to the church of St Clair-sur-Epte, before finally lying down and dying. The two knights left his body where it was but took his head back to England, their ship sank on their way home and St. Clair’s head was lost…. )
It would be great if you could get good photos of the statue, the well, and the church… and snoop around for anything else of interest…. this place, (above even Gisors) was chosen as the place to sign the treaty that gave ‘Normandy’ to Duke Rollo… it must be important, its where ‘Normandy’ was born… look on the internet for the ‘Treatise of St Clair-sur-epte’.
