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I agree with all of Michael’s sentiments.
Just to be Devil’s advocate here though,
Quote:ultimate goal of divine union.Who say’s that the ultimate goal is ‘divine union’, and on what authority do they make this claim… its not an ‘end result’ that I personally find desirable.
The desire for ‘divine union’ firstly is an ego-centred need, as such is self interested and therein lies the fault… keep falling down that sphere of Daath and start all over again!
I used to be Kabbalistic; was a student of the International Order of Kabbalists before James Sturzaker died; but these days I find the simplicity of Taoist philosophy much more real and useful… Everything is ‘unfolding’, life and the universe, outwardly expanding… the return to the divine source (for what purpose?) seems stagnant to me… To be in the presence of the glory of God forever, and do what other than just ‘be’… I have no desire for this ‘ultimate’ result… does that then make me evil?
What is evil?
Simon started this thread with a question of the dangers of questing. The world is dangerous full stop. That we stand on the threshold of the paranormal; we can have our eyes open as opposed to the great majority of the ‘stagnant asleep’ who work all week to pay their bills and keep their minds closed in denial of any otherworld, by escaping into tv soap operas or getting drunk throughout the weekend. If I had to point my finger at ‘evil’ I’d say that deliberate, state encouraged spiritual apathy was ‘evil’.
A fire can keep you warm, and keep the feral creatures at a safe distance from your children, but get too close to the flames and you’ll burn; people have been destroyed by fire… fire isnt evil… to me the otherworld is the same… enjoy its warmth, be inspired by it, but keep a safe distance also, treat it and yourself respectfully. Be foolish and you’ll get burnt…
Rights and wrongs, good and bad, only you can decide… I believe alchahol abuse and drug abuse, and spiritual (Cult type) brain washing causes more ‘possession’ than ‘dabbling’ with the otherworld.
Thanks Michael
Thats new to me, and I’ll cut and paste it into my own files… very interesting… its making John sound a lot like a Bran figure.
Lots to think about, cheers.
I cant really here much (other than Andy and Richard) in the last two recordings; but can hear quite clearly the ‘noise’ in the first two… sounds whispery and unpleasant, and certainly sounds like its speaking… but I couldnt figure out what it was saying, and dont want to guess.
Dan,
You’re intelligent and quick witted, and there are no faults in the things you say, but I dont know what you’re looking for?
I’ve investigated some things and they’ve come to a complete dead end; so, you could say I wasted my time, or that my research ‘failed’… but you know, something can happen ten years later that suddenly connects with the thing you gave up on ten years previously and a new ‘angle’ of comprehension is percieved. So was it time wasted or a failure?
The only way a quest can fail is if you have fixed parameters, like, ‘I must fins such and such an artifact by the next full moon’ and you dont so you failed… but I dont work like that and I dont know anyone who does.
I like the topics I investigate to be as un-biased and as un-contrived as possible; so I dont assume to predict the outcome, which means I dont have parameters; and that I am always open to a few surprises.
Years ago, Richard Ward and I were on a ‘Brown Monk’ quest trying to find a certain red bricked church… we visited about 20 churches and never found the one we were looking for… Is that a fail?
It didnt feel like a fail. we gave it our best shot and didnt come up with anything but I dont feel like a failure; just brush off and move on to other things… you cant force the universe to give you a ‘result’.
The definition of Psychic Questing is simple; it’s using extra sensory perception to assist with investigative research.
Within that mode of operation, whatever you choose to investigate is up to you… it’s all ‘Questing’.
As for failed quests; it’s hard to know what was a wild goose chase or not (even with hind sight) it all effects who you are and your outlook… which may of been it’s purpose.
I dont believe there ever is an end goal or objective, just the journey itself.
But often events appear unrelated and nonsensical, within there connections ( and often things feel unfinished)
Take ’21st century grail’ for instance. It kind of concludes with Graham giving Andy his Hawkstone ‘Magdalene Chalice’; yet the bulk of the quest via Richard’s impressions were about Aliester Crowley’s ‘Cup of Babalon’ and also some suggested landscape enigma centred around a 7 pointed star created by aligned sites… Graham’s chalice has nothing in common with Crowley’s Babylon Cup, and as far as I know the Marian Chalice has nothing to do with sacred site alignments… it’s harldy the same story that the book started with…
There are no rights or wrongs in this, its just a journey… but unfinished (presumably Crowley’s Babalon cup is till out there, and the landscape design is still to be plotted out and defined).
There is something interesting in that.
I do believe that it is actually impossible to ‘make anything up’.
I do believe that all our ideas come from somewhere else. Nobody is capable of ‘creating’ an original idea, only in ‘percieving’ or ‘picking up an idea’. When we need a good idea how do you get one? You mentally pause, search & wait, then *ping!* (the light bulb moment) and you recieve your idea… the idea that anyone can manually ‘construct’ an idea is nonsense.
I understand the word ‘Idea’ as being and interelationship between the ‘I’ (or ego/self) and ‘Dea’, some ancient goddess of enlightenment/inspiration.
So with the idea that all ideas have an ‘external origin’… there must be a universal pool/source that we all can tap into. This explains why even, sensitive fiction writers seem to have certain ‘truths’ within their stories; or that many authors will (unconciously) be writing from a similar theme/origin.
This doesnt condone or support fakery in anyway, I’m just saying that ultimately, nothing can be invented. Fakes and Frauds are manipulating, decieving, dishonest, and the desire to even want to be like that, I find very odd and not in the slightest bit enlightened… they are working from a purely egocentric foundation that cares little for other peoples sanity/intelligence or integrity.
With so many historical and ‘Reality’ enigmas, why create a fake quest? Just pick a ‘real’ topic and get investigating.
I’m being slightly ‘off topic’ here, but I’m motivated by the placebo idea.
As I practice Tai Chi, there is a lot of philosophy of what ‘chi’ is, many teachers dont believe it to be anything other than chinese metaphor, preferring to focus on Western measurements like blood circulation etc.
Yet Acupuncture is a metaphysical science that studies the manipulation of ‘chi’, a thing that cant be seen of measured in a ‘physics’ ‘scientific’ type way; so Acupuncture is one of the ‘healings’ damned as being a placebo (and there probably are some acupuncturists who are frauds) Yet, China has done many studies on this and Acupuncture has even been used to heal animals… how do you suggest a placebo to a dog or cat whilst your jabbing them with a needle?
a great book I read years ago, ‘Needles of Stone’ by Tom Graves, suggested the idea that Standing Stones and other landmarks are acupuncture of the landscape, directing ‘ley lines’ as an acupuncturist would direct chi around a body with needles… fascinating idea and very relivant to questing in ‘how ancient/sacred sites work’, type category.
I’m not sure if you came to a conclusion or any specific point there Dan, but I’m sure we’ve all thought the same things from time to time. It’s for all the reasons that you state that I do not consider apports to be very relivant
I’m sure there are many cases of fakery, and the genuine cases? well, they never prooved any historical theory nor gave any great enlightenment that I’m aware of… at best they are ‘gold stars’; for being good in class.
For me, psychic questing has nothing to do with collecting apports; I’m interested in historic and metaphysical discoveries, and using the 6th sense or what ever attributes beyond the 5 senses to investigate the world we live in.
To impress a girl, or be the great ‘showman-shaman’… well, equally that’s just ego-nonsense and ultimately shallow and pointless… as you observe, may as well just play D&D and be honest to all that you’re playing..
Quote:Not sure if that makes sense – but then it is a theory of ambiguityLol
If you could explain it in perfect clarity its couldnt possibly be ‘a theory of ambiguity’
The ancient chinese mystic wrote,
‘The Tao that can be explained is’nt the true Tao’
Interesting observations there Mad Dan, regarding the Pelican/Swan insights… I hadnt realised it was a Pelican (or had forgotten), but its not a surprise.
Most of the Meonia Heritage came out of the ‘Joanna sessions’, which in themselves were garbled nonsense rather than history.
Andy admits in the ‘notes’ of the Seventh Sword that Joanna kept saying ‘Mary Tudor’… this is really important because Mary Tudor was ‘Bloody Mary’ famous for burning 300 Protestants; – ‘Mary Queen of Scots’ was ‘Mary STEWART’ not Tudor.
So, it’s the wrong ‘Mary’ and the wrong bird (pelican/swan) lol!
I absolutely hate charlatanism and frauds, and do not condone any behaviour of the sort, however it maybe justified by ‘Cosmic Joker’ type theories… my point was, although Andy may of misread the Pelican, the universe ‘mirrored-his-mind’ and always will do so, for everyone, and thus synchronicities occur…. its down to you as an individual to keep your ‘themes’ sane and honest, or fake…. cos the universe will ‘mirror’ either.
Quote:Hey Yuri, congrats on achieving Magus status! You beat Simon to it.Lol… I’m blushing now!
I kind of see the universe as a ‘mirror-mind’. In a way, it doesnt matter whether you are researching a ‘historically true event’ or a ficticious story… If you give your thoughts over to it, then the ‘mirror mind’ of the universe reflects back at you… with synchronistic events. So yes, Charlatan quests can still create ‘results’.
So, what’s to be done with it? reality and the bending of reality.
Its down to you really; whether to give your mind and precious time to fiction or historical actuality… We’re all boldly going forward, and there’s no rules. Sometimes fiction can conceal truths, some times actuality is hidden behind stories.
Just last night I played the guitar at the George & Pilgrim in Glastonbury. After the session a wiccan-type lady whom I’d never seen in town before and who didnt know me from Adam, felt moved to come up to me and give me a lucky coin that she’d held for years… it was Swedish. I was tickled by her eccentricity but living in Glastonbury, colourful characters is the norm, and so you just take it in your stride… I didnt realise until I got home That one side of the coin had three ornate Crowns carved beautifully upon it….. I have been ‘questing’ the ‘Three Crowns’ now since 1989; – 16 years and still the synchronicities keep coming! What are they? who knows but I’ll keep following the White Rabbit wherever he goes.
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is Psychic Questing totally impossible, and are you therefore wasting your time trying to get startedWell, if you don’t try and get started you certainly wont get anywhere! Perhaps it will turn out to be a waste of time in terms of finding artifacts, but there is the chance of good times on the way, meeting interesting people, certainly broadening your horizons and learning a lot about the world and yourself – and in my opinion that is a worthwhile (even more important) quest in itself, even if not very exciting for others to read about. It beats vegging in front of the Idiot’s Lantern anyway!
I agree with Michael here
I have been questing for many years and have never witnessed a true apport materialising in front of me. But for Caroline wise it happens regularly, its happened for Richard Ward, John Horrigan and Alex in his Bega quest… so its not just Andy, Graham and Meonia that its unique to.
I think if you set off, hoping for apports, you have too much expectation in your mind and that stops it happening. I havent seen an apport materialise but I have dug things up… and its great fun and really special when it happens, but really, its just trinkets and things; – I’m more interested in knowledge… and echoing Michael, meeting interesting people and going to unusual places; – I’d rather encounter a site guardian than get a crystal…. Glastonbury’s full of crystal shops!
Go questing for the sake of learning, knowing the wider world (the metaphysical world), rather than artifact collecting… if you want to find things take up metal detecting
Questing is easy.
1; pick a subject that fascinates you and investigate it.
2; Be open to letting spirit unfold the story to you (so learn to listen and dont have pre-judgements… let the story unfold)
3; Wait for signs (sychronicities) If none come, pick a different topic to investigate; when you get signs… follow the white rabbit!
4; Believe that there is more than this 3 dimensional reality
5; If you get caught by the ‘Cosmic Joker’ dont get stressed or exasperated; laugh at the joke and move on… it was a good ride after all… as Michael said, better than watching other peoples lives on tv.6 ; Go out, have adventures, come back and tell us all about it, so to inspire others to do likewise.
Just a quick post to connect up threads; from here to this thread about the Four Grail Hallows.
http://www.psychicquesting.com/ftopicp-457.html#457
Assuming the Graal is the dish/platter that John’s head was served to salome upon; one of the first Grail Romances, ‘The High History’ also narrates the quest of Sir Gawain to find the sword that decapitated John the Baptist.
Infact, it seems to me that the ‘High History’ is more about the Baptist’s mystery than it is Jesus. and as Michael suggested, probably does hold hidden reference to an alternative apostolic succesion than that of Peter n Rome.
Thought I’d pull this one up again just as an offshoot of the Body harvesting thread.
http://www.psychicquesting.com/ftopic-61-0.html
The High History of the Holy Grail (possibly the orginal Grail book…. but its debateble… could be Chretiens ‘Le Cont du Graal’ (both, incidentally call the Graal a bowl, not a cup))
The High History, interestingly, also tells the story of Sir Gawain going on quest to find the Sword that decapitated John the Baptist… if the Graal is the ‘dish’ upon which John’s head was given to Salome; then the first graal story/ies seem to be veiled Johannite mystery; and more comcerned with John than it is concerned with Jesus.
But I think, both Jesus and John are modern varients of the four hallows;
Jesus = Lance and Cup; mid winter
John = Dish and sword; mid summer.But the Grail legends could also be concealed knowledge of an alternative apostolic succession than Peter and Rome… hence the need to conceal within story.
Yep, Michael,
I have thought all the J the B things you have suggested, and all the ideas are fascinating… but frustratingly, keep ducking and diving evidence… having said that, it certainly appears that the Graal is more akin to the Platter and head of John, rather than any cup or chalice.
Yes, john’s head made into a cup… like Wayland is doing on the Franks Casket! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Yes, too, to another apostolic succession to that of Peter and Rome.
definitly.
