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All the 1963 stuff was new to me; thanks for putting the link up Vyxen.
Also, Mad Dan’s observations/questions are perfectly reasonable and intelligent; – we’ve all thought them from time to time.
Was the Black Alchemist a powerful embodyment of evil? No, I dont think so. Evil people with real power start a war in Iraq for no purpose other than oil … the death of thousands hardly compares with breaking tomb stones and leaving animal bits and pieces around.
And also, Drug dealers today think nothing of carrying a gun and getting rid of annoying people; you’d think the BA or Hexe or Friends of Hecate would be just as ruthless to anyone who was in their way.
So, ultimate evil it aint. Gun happy mafia it aint. So what is it? Sometimes one or two people, occaisionally a group. Doing ritual activity and leaving horrible items around; human bone, animal hearts and heads.
I think the majority of the BA artifacts found were concealed and hidden, so the person wasnt broadcasting their activity; they wanted privacy. Same too with Clapham Wood, the occultists there appear to of not wanted to draw attention to themselves, but wanted privacy… the 1963 stuff was quite different, it was very much about leaving something gross and odd ‘to be seen’… it wanted an audience… Who knows what to make of it. and it still goes on.
Richard Ward has gone to some churches and still found bones lain out in odd patterns.
I would add to all the above the horrible ‘Horse mutilations’ that seem to happen in waves. Stop for ten years or so then start again. Attacks specifically upon Mares, cutting at their eyes and hacking at and inserting fencing posts into their vaginas… was happening quite regular about 12 years ago… no one was ever caught, seen, and it just stopped… As far as I know, no one ever has been caught.
The Black Alchemist book is a heady mix because it combines a few unrelated events, that are related in the minds and visions of the psychics involved. Andy and Bernards BA questing. Toyne Newtons ‘Demonic Connection’ book and the terrible stoms that hit the country… all combine to quite a ‘heady’ read.
I dont have any answers, nor claim to understand what is going on… some people treasure sacred spaces and others hack up animals and desicrate graves… No, it aint the work of ultimate evil, and it appears far from intelligent genius. I’m sure serious black magicians remain unseen and you’d never see any evidence of their workings. But I would still harp back to my earlier post, usually all one can do is ‘clean up’ after them.
I’m sure most of us have favourite places, little sanctuaries where we can go and relax, meditate, be at one with the world; be it a church if you are christian, or a park, stone circle, ancient well or just beautiful countryside… If you went there one day and found blood soaked into the ground, occult graffiti splashed about and some animal mutilation left in a deliberate pattern… it’d be pretty upsetting to you and you’d want to ‘clean up’… really that is all ‘Black Questing’ is (not a term I am keen on actually; – but it defines the category as differnt to regular ‘questing’ which is investigative research using psychic methods)
Wierd stuff happened, Andy wrote about it, Bernhard retired from ‘Questing’ because it upset him so much. Thats about all you can say. There are probably many ways it can be measured and evaluated… Bloody interesting story though
Quote:I found him quite a spunky guide to deal withLol, I’m sure Crowley would love that description
I guess I am one of the ones guilty of being Adrew’s friend but for what its worth, I am also my own person, have often disagreed with Andy (we even fell out for a number of years) but now we can still share a pint and a laugh… So I would just say that people can be ‘pro-supportive’ of a person without being a member of a clicky group that others cant become involved in.
When I first met Andy and his ‘then’ Earthquest group in 1991, they appeared to me to be a ‘clicky’ tightly knitted group… but thats just how it appeared to me at the time.
When I first attended a Tai Chi class it seemed that the teacher had his ‘favourite’ students…. but it aint really that way, really this is just an perception based on insecurity of being in a an invironment for the first time, before you have got to ‘know’ any body.
I hope Holly and other newbies dont stay ‘newbies’ but hang around and become part of the crowd.
When I became aware of psychicquesting.com I thought that Simon had started a great thing. There is too much perception of ‘Questing’ having an ‘inner core’ of people, a clicky group that can only be approached at the Questing Conference; it aint really that way but how else are we all meant to interact?
Like Simon said (‘Simon says’ lol) The more debate the better. I’m trying to do my bit, its easy for me as I am self employed and work from home so I’m online quite a lot… that doesnt mean I’m a clicky member of psychicquesting.com, just means that the devil is finding work for my idle hands… but most of all I just enjoy these topics and debates
My own position on the Green Stone is that I dont actually believe its a great profound thing of magical power; I believe its a simple stone (special) but simple. But what it is, is a unique part of Questing history. Its the leading artifact from the first questing book, it represents the adventures of 1979 and its story kick started a new wave of esoteric interest, psychic research and has helped to make ‘alternative research’ mainstream. The Questing Conference and this forum probably wouldnt exist if the events in Flint, in 79′ hadnt of happened….. Throw a stone into a pond, create ripples.
It would be a real shame if it were just hidden away forever in a private collection, but simply by owning a thing doesnt mean that you’ll ‘know’ how to use it (for good or ill) or that you even have a ‘psyche’ that can tune into it…. money just doesnt buy those abilities…. they only come together by chance.
LOL
In my opinion one of Andy’s best books was ‘From the Ashes of Angels’, all about the Angelically inspired origins of human civilisation. He’s is a bit of a devil sometimes, and an arguementative git, but ‘Demonic’… lol Every year, even when it hasnt been financially rewarding (because of the cost of certain speakers) Andy has kept pushing the Questing Conference, to spread and encourage ‘freedom of thought’ and to encourage everyone to quest for new ‘enlightenments’… I consider him quite an asset to universal developement.
He has not updated his site since last year; – and should one make a public display of their grief anyway?
That said, and let me be the devils advocate here (maybe I’m being possessed) but the idea that the Green Stone is all ‘Light’ and niceness… is far from true.
The green stone story mentions the emerald stone that originally fell from the crown of Lucifer. The ‘Meonia Heritage’ that spoke through Graham Philips in the ‘Joanna Sessions’ kept referring to ‘Mary’ as ‘Mary Tudor’ NOT Mary Queen of Scots, Mary Tudor was ‘Bloody Mary’ who had over 300 Protestants burnt to death, and the heritage made heroes out of the Gunpowder Plotters who try to blow up king and parliament… The Meonia Heritage is largely of a ‘Pro-Catholic agenda’ and bloody ruthlessly so too.
What I’m saying is, that allthough Meonia is a fascinating topic, nothing is black and white, good and bad, and there are only various shades of Grey.
Certain aspects of ‘Joanna’s’ history lessons have since proven to be flawed, academically speaking. When the Knights Pool sword was found it was only explained as a dowsing tool, with which the Green Stone could be located…’Joanna’ said nothing at all about there being other swords, or that tthere should be a coming together of Seven.
No antagonism to Gaynor intended, but she obviously doesnt consider it a sacred or inspiring treasure to keep and hold, neither apparentally does Graham, whose taken the position of supporting Andy but not being involved. This whole stance that people are taking is very different to the awe and ‘sense of destiny’ that was portrayed in the Green Stone book… its almost like a Cloak of Apathy has fallen around the people who were involved…
…I find this whole situation very strange.
Thats funny and happens often. That you follow a Red Herring yet is it? The path leads nowhere in it self but takes you to an ‘off shoot’ that does become useful to you… funny old game.
Andy C is a very reasonable guy who is eternally enthusiastic to all questing… If you wrote to him and explained all the reasons why you felt the Green Stone should be used at a specific time and place… I’m sure he would certainly be open minded about it, and would be inclined to co-operate
It would be down to you to present a valid use, rather than just having it on whim.
No conclusive dating has been given by any authority about the Marian Chalice… its almost impossible to date and locate stone without doing really expensive tests.
As Andy says (page 187, ’21st cent Grail’) ‘This meant the vessel could of been manufactured anywhere, and be of any age’.
same page,
‘In the knowledge that Graham had himself taken the Marian Chalice to the British Museum and been told by an unnamed expert that it was a Roman scent jar…’
Graham at the last questing conference (Nov 05) said, that someone at the British Museum had said that it was in the STYLE OF a first century perfume jar….’style of’ is a vaguery
Dr James Robinson of the Department of Prehistory and Europe, suggested it was Rennaissance ’1400-1500′s’… Thorsen Opper of the Department of Graeco-Egyptian Studies, said he had never seen anything like it and didnt think it was old at all… So whoever told Graham it was in the 1st century style, I’ve no idea.
All this info is on the same page in Andy’s book.
At best, you could say that whoever hid it at Hawkestone Park, they may of believed it to be the Holy Grail, and maybe Graham had ‘tuned into ‘that persons’ belief.
I do not believe it is a candidate for the Holy Grail at all, by any stretch of the imagination…. when queried by Tony Robinson on prime time tv, whether this was ‘the’ Holy Grail, Graham said, “well, its ‘a’ grail”.
Hi Andy
Its a bit of an awkward topic for a thread. Speaking for myself, I like to keep things fairly private until I feel that I have ‘wrapped something up’ so to speak… I think most others are the same. Its not really to exclude others, really its just that too many minds can get chaotic… this forum is best used to bounce ideas off other people by saying something like… “I’m looking into so and so at the moment anyone got any ideas”? and so on; so you get help without interfearance.
What I think would be a good idea is that, from my own experience, there are so many loose ends and paths that one could investigate, that one person cant do them all… so maybe it would be good to post up ‘avenues of research’ that you havent got time to pursue; others might find these things of interest and others may like to pursue them for themselves…
I’ve many odd loose ends, when I have time, I’ll stick them up here for whoever wants to play with them and take them further, or not.
It’s not disimilar in appearance, who knows? It also (the green stone) looks similar to ‘Serpentine’ from The Lizard peninsula in Cornwall…
Sorry, after looking at the photo I want to start singing part of the ‘Twelve days of Xmas’… “Five………….. gold rings”
As I said; – “so you just have to figure it out as you go along, and do what feels right.”
Whats not to understand?
A few years ago in Liverpool on a train carriage, there were about 8 people on board. Three thugs got aboard, intimidated everyone and raped a yound woman… no one stood up to stop it because they were all frightened. But if one had stood up to object then the rest would of followed… I would never condone apathy.
That said, what can one do? Are we ment to go out as vigilanties with shot guns? what would that make us?
At best, it is a case of ‘tidying up the mess’ afterwards, healing a wound; or to try and confound things so that further damage cannot be done. It is just about keeping the land well.
You can heal the world or make it uglier… its a simple choice.
Its not really about a fight between good guys and bad guys (which is a terribly simplistic world view when there are so many varying shades of grey created by circumstances)
Its not about being judge and jury its about looking after the world, via sacred sites and so on
True, but I think they came to some other arrangement.
Hello Mad Dan
All this is loosely lumped under the term ‘Black Questing’… ie, fighting off and undermining the machinations of the bad guys… whoever they may be… as opposed to regular questing which is usually historically research based type stuff, and non confrontational.
Different psychics can tune into different frequencies as it were and most of the BA stuff came via Bernard… He had enough of it all in the end, was concerned about his family’s safety and so retired, which meant that ‘frequency’ was turned off.
Other psychics tried to continue with things but it all eventually fizzled out. Some members of Earthquest did not want to be doing any ‘Black Questing’ simply because ‘who needs the hassle or the worry?’ and also things like the Seven Swords quest were more inspiring, plus the BA and the rest of it faded into silence.
I think it is believed that the BA is either retired or died, he is certainly elderly and presumed inactive. The Sorceress sent Andy a card years ago, from France, saying that she had nothing to do with anything any more… was the card really from her? who knows.
But there are always going to be negative people wanting to cause chaos or control power.
Questing often is about learning the energy of the land (personified by Elen) and healing the land. By default, this means you are sent to places that need healing, either because the site has been forgotten or neglected, or tapped into and abused, a bit vampiric-like, someone or group syphoning off its life energy or ‘chi’.
For the people to be well, the land they live on needs to be well. If you want to screw up the masses and keep their minds asleep… screw up the land they live on.
Its an endless game of chess really. You can do what you can to help, but its endless and if you did/do it all the time then you’ll never have time to do the enlightening investigative side of questing… so you just have to figure it out as you go along, and do what feels right.
From the cover of the Green Stone book, the green stone appears to be quite a vibrant emerald green… I’ve never seen it for real.
The Marion Chalice I have, and its more a kind of faded creamy grey green marble type stone, rather than an emerald semi-transparent type thing.
I noted that Andy R has just described the pink and white stones as representing spheres on the Kabbalistic Tree of Life… so reading between the lines of the ‘untold story’ it would appear that 10 stones were being quested in a rather contrived occult formulaic modus operandi… were all ten found?… very similar to something Graham P has done in recent years which is to seek various coloured stones that were believed to of been upon the breast plate of Aarron… 12 I think, I for each sign of the zodiac… Graham lectured on this a couple of years ago at the Questing Conference…. so it seems to be either a recurring theme with him, or a continuing thing… anyone’s guess.
To me, the only fascinating find was the ‘Meonia fore Marye’ sword at Knight’s Pool as this was obviously a part of a much bigger, nation wide thing that lead to other people coming together because of finding similar swords under strange circumstances… whereas the stones seem ‘quiet’ and functionless really. Whereas as the Knights Pool sword still goes out into the landscape and functions.
Kind of ‘all the above is true’.
There is always ‘psychometry’, but for Meonia for instance, the Green Stone isnt the ‘all and all’;… Ilam Rock at Dovedale, Whiteladies Priory near Boscobel, Knights Pool and the like have always been there for whoever to ‘tune into’.
I very much think that things have their moment in time. The events of 1979 were like a stone being thrown in a pool, and this website among numerous other gatherings and ‘collectives’ have happened because of the ripples that have expanded outward.
As an outsider looking in, I’m not aware of the Greenstone doing much of anything over the past 20 years or so; but does that mean its spent/dormant/or unused… I dont know?
Artifacts from the ‘otherworld’ (I use that term loosely) are always a vague thing. For instance, when the first Meonia sword was found, there was no hint from the psychic realms that there would be others, it was merely a dowsing tool to find the greenstone… when other swords started to pop up under strange circumstances it was a surprise to Andy C, Graham and all the others…. in hind sight the swords seem to of had more purpose than the stone…. but the psychic realm gave that information on a need to know basis.
I’d say it would be very foolish to assume complete understanding of what otherworld intelligence is doing… In 1979 the Green Stone was presented to the ‘players’ as the most important thing; but maybe that was only ‘in that moment in time’.
Who knows?
£5,000 is still a lot of money.
Apart from the Green Stone and Casket, nothing is known about the other items,
The ‘Pink’ stone, the ‘White’ stone, the ‘Five’ (what?) and the Isis locket; and now a unspecified parchment.
What I see here is a story untold. We’ve had Graham n Martin’s version of events, and Andy C’s. It would be nice to read Gaynor’s version. If a book were written that’d raise more money than selling the items themselves, and it would also increase the value of the items… they’d be worth more once they had appeared in a book…. wouldnt they?
Ok, Andy.
I was just pushing you to see what sort of person you were
My deepest sympathies are with Gaynor and her brothers at the moment as I’m sure she is devistated by her mums passing… its very sad.
I’m sure the items have their chosen destiny
Yuri.
