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If it helped, I could easily set up a new Forum section called “Questing Leads to be Followed…” or something similar. At least then there is a dedicated area where they can all go and also each lead can have it’s own discussion thread. Would this be of interest?
Having been made aware of some of your comments during the day, Andrew (Collins) has asked me to post the following clarifications:
“I have not, and will not, get drawn into any debate concerning the sale of the Green Stone and other assorted items as this might jeopardise our bid to secure their future, especially as Gaynor Sunderland and Andy Roberts have let it be known that they MIGHT consider a lower offer in order to keep the items within the questing community.
This said, I feel it necessary to make certain points clear, following various statements being made on psychicquesting.com.
The Green Stone was discovered by myself and Graham Phillips with the help of Marion and Gaynor Sunderland back in 1979. Indeed, without their help it might never have been found. It is a very, personal magical artefact that very quickly became embroiled in internal politics. If (and only if) we are successful in our bid to buy it, then I do not want this to happen again.
A small group got together by myself have secured almost enough money to match the existing bid of £7000. If we are successful (and this is a very important point) then the Green Stone will, for the first time in 20 years, be utilised again by the surviving member of the Meonia group, founded in 1979. We will make it available for the special event planned, where those who help us increase our EXISTING bid via psychicquesting.com will be allowed a one-to-one with the object and casket for attunement and photos. It will also appear in proposed future conferences and lectures put on by those most closely involved in the bid.
Paying an amount into the fund will not permit anyone to come calling when they like to borrow the Green Stone for whatever purpose they may choose. Their £50 donation is much appreciated, but it will only provide them with an exclusive ticket to the one-off special event; nothing else, other than their name on an appreciation list (if we are successful). There will be NO judicators, or committees outside of those who are putting up the bid. This is a commercial sale, not the pawning of the Crown Jewels!
We simply need your help to ensure the future of the objects, both on a materialistic and magical level. The Green Stone and its accompanying casket are very special objects, which must not be lost to the questing world. Please help me to preserve them, as this is the only chance we are going to get, I promise you. Failing to do so might well have dire consequences for the questing community.
BTW, it is important to point out that Graham Phillips is not involved in the consortium. However, he supports it, and wishes it every success.”
So I hope that sets the record straight. I hope that I haven’t misled anyone by stating that Graham was actually part of the consortium. That inaccuracy is totally down to a misinterpretation by myself.
What is clear though is that if you do want that one-on-one session with the Green Stone then I suggest that you should start donating quickly!
Thanks all,
Simon
As an aside, if you incorporate a company in Belize, instead of the “Limited” suffix you get here in the UK, you can choose between a few of which the clear winner is “Société Anonyme”. What better name for the caretaking organisation of the artefacts then “Meonia Société Anonyme”? Given that they mean what they say about there being very little record of what such companies do (no tax returns for example, no publicised list of directors) you can see how in 500 years time we could become the new Priory of Sion!
As for Martin and AndyM’s other concerns, I guess I’d have to say that ideally there *would* be some mechanism for ensuring the safety of and controlling access to the artefacts.
Two practical points, however:
1. We are still only talking about the minor part in the auction price. If The Green Stone Fund raised 50% of the necessary funds then there’s certainly need to be some formal recognition of the individual donors but right now we’re aiming for about 10% so I don’t feel that we have the same claim.
2. If there was an easy and workable way to ensure access to the Green Stone by the donors then that would be an option but I can’t think of anything better than “leave it to the discretion of Andrew Collins and Graham Phillips”. My understanding is that the donors get their one-off day where they have one-to-one access to the artefacts and after that they will be displayed at the various shows (QuestCon for example). But you can imagine that access at these events would be severely curtailed. Whether they’d be happy to organise viewing by prior appointment I couldn’t say but I can ask for you.
Longer term, again if you had all the money in the world you could set up a Board of Trustees and codify all the access rule etc but as soon as you involve the legal profession it quickly gets very expensive.
Having said all that I’m sure that if anyone has a good idea for how it could work, it would be listened to.
Thanks for your continued interest,
Simon
Hi Martin,
The provenance of the items is being attested to buy the seller, Andy Roberts (through his wife Gaynor who was involved in the events). I don’t think there is any question that they are genuine because Andrew (Collins) and Graham Phillips are willing to part with so much of their own hard-earned cash to get them back.
I received further information on the artefacts included in bundle from Andy R this morning. He says:
“As we go through Marion’s things a few other Questing items have surfaced, which aren’t on the photos, but which will be included in the sale to wheoever gets the artefacts. These are the 1786 parchment (mentioned in one of my messages), a ‘tribal’ sword in a wooden scabbard and a pheonix medallion thing. These were all apparently from minor quests which were receievd in the early days of the Green Stone and which didn’t seem to have been pursued by anyone. Gaynor will provide full written information on the circumstances and provenance of these items when the auction is concluded.”
So again as to their authenticity I am pretty certain that there is no hoax being perpetrated and certainly not by AC + GP.
Hi Martin and Andy M,
The highest bid currently stands at £7,000 which, I believe, is the offer of a private collector. What I’m calling the “Questing Consortium” has managed to get together a substantial sum of money – but are not yet in a position to outbid the private investor. The Green Stone Fund initiated by psychicQuesting.com is simply a goodwill gesture to help “top up” the Questing Consortium’s own funds and secure the future of the artefacts within the Questing community.
When I set up the fund I thought that if 20 members donated £50 that would arm the Questing Consortium with another £1,000. However, even if we hit that target (which is possibly over-ambitious) it clearly only constitutes the minor part of the amount.
Thus it was felt that to keep the logistics simple all “control” of the artefacts would reside with the Questing Consortium (which counts Andrew Collins and Graham Phillips amongst its members). Their intention is that the artefacts are kept within the Questing Community and “that they might be employed in future quests or power attunements at sacred sites throughout the UK, and also be made available at public events”.
So in answer to your question there will be no shared control over the artefacts, no democratic voting, no shared revenue. Andrew Collins, Graham Phillips and the other consortium members will take control over the artefacts. I guess you’ll have to trust that they will be in safe hands. Having met Andrew and been utterly convinced of his sincerity, I know that I do. However you will get unique access to the artefacts via the special “day with the Green Stone” as described in the Fund instructions. This will appeal to some but not others (particularly members living overseas) but again the all-day event itself is simply something that can be done to thank contributors, it is not the main focus of the fund.
I appreciate that on the face of it this seems like some mad “get poor quick” scheme but I’d rather undersell the concept than mis-sell it because £50 is a lot of money. All I can say is that I’m personally convinced of the value of doing what I can to help Andrew, Graham and co., hence all the time that has gone into the launching of the Fund with accompanying newsletter and the changes to the website to support this – as well as me putting my hand in my own pocket and contributing (and in fact I will probably also be bidding at Alex’s auction).
So if this is for you then I do urge you to go for it…
Simon
Looking at Andy R’s latest photos of the Green Stone ([url:16voav73]http://www.psychicquesting.com/ftopicp-340.html#340[/url] ), I’m thinking that I might not be so daft after all. It does seem very similar to the material of the Marian Chalice. However, you can probably comment with more authority, Yuri, as you’ve actually seen it.
Hi Alex,
Thanks for the vote of confidence and support. I agree that in an ideal world you would have a seamless transition of caretakers for the artefacts. However, maybe something in this whole exercise is important that we can’t see at this point in time. Maybe it will serve to raise the profile of Questing or start a new Quest that will have dramatic results. Who knows?
As for the artefacts themselves, Andy Roberts has kindly supplied me with some photographs which I include below:
[img]http://www.icontrail.com/images/artefacts1a.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.icontrail.com/images/artefacts2a.JPG[/img]
I’ve just had the TV on in the background, switched to what was supposed to be a re-run of Graham Hancock’s Underworld: Flooded Kingdoms program on Discovery Civilisation. In fact it turned out to be something about hidden treasures of the British Museum. I wasn’t really focussing on it but suddenly, in the middle of a segment on so-called “African Throwing Knives”, they showed a “knife” that looked exactly like a triskelion (imagine the Isle of Man symbol stretched on the inner digit and cast in heavy metal). Unfortunately it didn’t give a date for the knives but it would be interesting to know if they were relatively antique which would suggest another spontaneous instantiation of this symbol.
(I had a quick search on the internet for a relevant image but none of the throwing knives shown looked like the three-bladed one on the programme.)
Sorry if I’m being daft, I don’t have AC’s latest book to hand, but could the Green Stone and the Marian Chalice be made of the same substance? If so it would be fun to bring them together and see what resulted.
Sorry, Andy R, that wasn’t meant to be serious – just me being flippant and poking a bit of gentle fun (I’d hoped the wink and sending myself up would soften the blow). Apologies if I’ve caused offence and of course Gaynor has every right to lead her life how she wishes.
Later dude,
Meugher wrote:The adverse publicity she may receive if a book was written could affect her job, how people in the community see her etc etc.But being married to a bloke who writes books on UFOs won’t?
My neighbours have only recently discovered my association with this website and they seem to be coming to terms with it OK although in fairness I wasn’t the most integrated member of the community to begin with
I wonder is it worth seeing if we could get a syndicate together to bid for the artefacts? I could easily put a Donations box on the front of the website and send out an appeal to all registered members of the site. The problem is if some money was donated but not enough, people would have to trust that I’d send it back to them and not keep it
Maybe we could persuade Andy (the selling Andy!) that when he has his best and final offer he would give us a chance to see if we could match it. If everyone who is registered donated £50 then we’d have over £5,000.
Alternatively I was listening to Michael’s (Supernaturalist’s) podcast of Philip Gardiner and he was boasting how he had a rich benefactor so maybe he could be persuaded to come to the rescue. Isn’t there a psychic museum somewhere? Maybe the collection could be housed there for all to see.
Here’s one of the missing posts: “I have just had an email and the auction is upto £5,500 at the moment. Mark”
There was an emergency roll-back performed on the site following some inadvertant file-trashing by me
. Looks like there’s no poltergeist but I am willing to admit to being possessed. Anyway the upshot of my moment of madness means that anything between posted between this morning and this afternoon got wiped. My knuckles have been well and truly rapped and to atone I shall be trialling a new site newsletter to see if we can drum up some more activity.To those who lost posts or accounts, I can only say that I’m very sorry and will make sure that my development processes are watertight in future. If you have the patience it would be great to get them restored but I understand if not. I see that there was a new thread on Alex’s books so if anyone can fill in the blanks that would be great.
