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Biddulph – or should we call you Mr Grange?.
You clearly have no conception of what ‘aggressive’ means. I am responding firmly to some of the messages on this thread because they have been posted by idiots who can’t even understand the rules of English, and who don’t underastand the rules of ownership, or apparently much about psychic questing.
And, one again, I’m not ‘wanting to sell’ anyone anything, I’m *offering the chance to buy*, which is completely different.
Last day today for anyone who is intererested, then it’s gone.
Happy Trails
Andy
Aagh, no, not The Shadow!
Who wrote:
Andy,
>There are no ‘sour grapes’ over the Green Stone only the concers >already voiced by many people on this site over the way in which >the ‘Sale’ was conducted.
Or, as we scientists call these concerns, ‘sour grapes’ becaue the people who believed they had a ‘right’ were pipped at the post because they failed to have a bid in.
>As I have said before that my own opinion is that burrying the stone >would merely have made an interesting option.
It would, we didn’t bury it though so I’m afraid life moves on.
>Simple fact is that weather you like it or not, you have made many >people on this site distrust you. The surfacing now of these other items >you wan’t to wash your hands of is a concern that you are expecting >people to buy into a quest. Their only real value now is in their material >worth as a trinket.
Shadow, please learn how to read and comprehend, I’m not ‘expecting’ anyone to do anything. I have *offered* the artifact for sale because people have expressed and interest in these things as well as the PQ books etc. I have had several private emails requesting that I continue to *offer* these things when they become available. *Expecting* and *offering* are two very different things. Please keep up.
>If I recall correctly, you have stated previously on this site that you >have never been on a psychic quest , so therefore can not fully >appreciate that the true value of questing is in the efforts made in >finding of these artifacts by psychic means. You can not put a price on >that!
But I live with a PQer and I know exactly what the nature and feeling attached to these quests is. I can put a price on what I choose, whether people choose to pay it is up to the, That’s the difference between *expecting* and *offering*.
>The story behind the finding of this silver dagger is it’s value and >interest, it’s a shame that details of this quest will not resurface unless >the new owners decide to publish them. Likewise with the bundled items >sold with the green stone, their worth is unlikely to become known to >others.
That’s the first thing you’ve been correct about Shadow. If someone buys or obtains something it becomes theirs to do with as they wish. The present ownder of the Green Stone etc decided he wanted to keep it all to himself. That’s his prerogative. Surely some form of PQ could be done to find the stone if you really wanted to?
> Not sour grapes Andy, before you start! It would just be nice to share >this information with those (unlike yourself?) who may be genuinly >interested in psychic questing.
I’m *extremely* interested in Questing Shadow and know more about it than you’ll ever know.
You have fun with that grape juice now!
Happy Trails
Andy
Oh dear!
Mr Flight has not really understood what went on at the time and, as with so many others, is possessed by sour grapes because he and his cronies hadn’t understoof that to *win* an auction you actually have to have a bid in. As for it finishing early I have already explained why this was the case. If, of course, you would have liked Gaynor to suffer further at the hands of nutters solely so you could possess the Green Stone (my precioussssssss) then that’s for your conscience to deal with.
As for me ‘making you sick’ – you really shouldn’t let people affect you so at a distance Mr Flight, but if I’ve achieved that effect without even having to try then I’m quite pleased with myself!
Happy Trails
Andy
Pilgrims,
‘Flight’ wrote:
>I don’t think it’s an issue as to whether it is right or wrong to sell >artefacts that you no longer feel you need, I think the problem is Andy, >it is the way he dealt with The Green Stone sale in such an appalling >way that have made people wary of him. Many people felt totally robbed >by it.
I rather think that this is more sour grapes Flight old boy/girl. The Green Stone sale was terminated because of the amount of nutters who were getting in contact. Several people had
said they were going to put offers in and didn’t, and it went to someone who had taken the trouble to keep in constant contact and could come up with a ‘reasonable’ amount of money.I would suggest that you move on from the Green Stone. It’s gone. If no-one is interested in the particular artifact on offer it will be going to a US dealer in such objects. I was merely trying to keep it in the PQ community, as with the books and zines, and all that has happened is a lot of people can’t accept the fact that Gaynor is entitled to dispose of her possessions in any way she sees fit. And it’s precisely because of these childish attitudes that I have to do it for her as she is appalled at some of the things which have been said. I strongly suspect the rest of the artifacts etc will be offered straight to dealers in magical arifacts as the general questing public can only moan.
Happy Trails
Andy
Steve!
Oh dear!
>If money is all you seek then so be it.
As opposed to what other medium of exchange – carrots?
If people have invested time and money in retrieving an artifact I see no issue with that money being regained by using that artifact. This just sounds like sour grapes from someone who thinks it should be just given away, or exchanged for carrots. Speaking of exchange I’d also be happy to exchange for an equally ‘interesting’ or collectable item.
>I personally think you have missed an opportunity with the Green >Stone. If you had gone ahead and re-buried it when you had the >chance, it would have been a perfect ending to the story surrounding it.
>If someone then came along and retrieved it by psychic means it would >prove to be of some significance, but alas we will now never know.I don’t think I’ve ever claimed the Green Stone has any significance Steve. ‘Significance’ is in the mind of the beholder and is entirely relative.
>The main fact is that when these questing artefacts are auctioned in this >way, it devalues the whole process in which they were originally >obtained.
See above, but:
a) It’s not being auctioned, I have stated a price and now suggested an exchange would be possible
b) The artifact is Gaynor’s possession to do with as she sees fit
c) I don’t think you have any idea about the processes which surround the finding of the artifact in question>You may be after a fast buck
See above
>or just simply want to be rid of them,
Well, these things do tend to clutter the house up!
>but you can’t expect to gain any respect for this.
Where, pray, have I intimated that I was after any ‘respect’? Quite frankly what people think or believe is up to them Steve. I know the truth of the matter surrounding this and other artifacts. And incidentally, lest your po-faced attitude causes you to rant further can I just point out that monies made from the sale of Green Stone books etc which I have sold on this site have gone towards a covered bench which gaynor is having erected outside Flint Cotage Hospital, where Marion spent the last few weeks of her life. Seems like reasonable use of such money to me, and has more releveance than nonsense talk about ‘making a fast buck’, ‘respect’ or anything else.
Happy Trails
AndySteve
Hi Steve,
Such cynicism! You pays your money (or not) and your takes your chance. Offers happily accepted. There were plenty of peopl happy to but the Green Stone and related artifacts, there may or not be plenty interested in this item. Their loss and a dealer’s gain I’m afraid.
Happy Trails
Andy
Well, it’s past 4.20, no other bids were received for this remarkably rare Green Stone artefact, so you need to get in touch with me to discuss payment methods etc. I’ll even chuck in a DVD copy so you can preserve the original video. Please contact me on andy@darkstar.fsnet.co.uk
Andy
Hi,
We’ve received a bid of £8,500 this morning from a serious bidder, although someone not know to us.
14 days to go. Interested parties planning on making bids should contact us off site for more regular updates/information.
Happy Trails
Andy
Hi,
Gaynor and I were most surprised to read the message from ‘Johnny’ on this site.
We see no reason whatosever to question Andy Collins’ desire to bid for the Questing artifacts.
The fact that there is nothing on AC’s site about Marion means absolutely nothing. Web sites fulfill many different functions and Andy’s site clearly isn’t intended for news items. The fact that Marion’s death was announced on the PQ Portal site was more than adequate, as is evidenced by the fact that we have been literally inundtated with messages, enquiries and tentative bids from all over the world. I am sure that, in his own time, Andy will probably put something considered and measured on his site regarding the matter, but that is up to him and no-one else.
As regards ‘Johnny’s’ other comments it is entirely up to Andy C, or indeed anyone else who bids succesfully on the artifacts, what they do with them and who they share them with. The terms and conditions of the Consortium have been made abundantly clear and I’m sure no-one is in any doubt as to what access/use they will get.
‘Johnny’ also makes the assumption that Andy C and the Consortium are certain to obtain the items. This is not necessarily the case. The items will go, if at all possible, to people within the Questing community and preferably to Andy and the Consortium. However, there is no getting away from the stark fact that they are being sold to raise a ‘reasonable’ amount of money for Gaynor. If ‘reasonable’ isn’t achieved by the Consortium then the items will go elsewhere. I don’t, as yet, notice a bid from ‘Johnny’!
Gaynor has nothing but the highest regard for Andy, and his motivations. Gaynor knew him and worked with him for many years and has no doubts as to his integrity. For ‘Johnny’ (and why the need to hide behind annonymity?) to raise this sort of paranoid tittle-tattle as this time is both disrespectful to Marion’s memory and to the subject of Psyhic Questing itself. I would suggest that ‘Johnny’ is simply motivated by bitterness and sour grapes for something he desperately wants but cannot have and
I trust this is the last we will hear of such nonsense.Happy Trails
Andy[/i]
Hi,
I missed this from Michael, but I’ll comment on it now:
>I remember reading an interview with Andy R on Phenomena, and he >intimated (though he didn’t actually confess) that he has been involved >in some physical hoaxes, and he admitted outright to planting false >stories in his books which were completely unreferenced just to see if >they spread.
Yes, that’s true. I plant at least one false story in each of my books to see a) who copies things slavishly without checking facts and b) to see how a story can mutate. I’ve also been involved in various UFO hoaxes. However, I don’t see what this has to do with Questing as all that stuff happened long before I met Gaynor. As previously noted, the other artefacts are genuine and were quested for by Gaynor, Graham and other people at the time.
>So maybe he is pulling our legs on some of those things just to watch >how we react, which admittedly would be amusing (well, I would find it >so, though perhaps not if I’d just handed over five grand of course).
That hadn’t occurred to me to be honest, but I rather think if I was going to introduce any ‘false’ questing items that I could come up with something a bit more exciting that a few rings, a locket and so on! Gaynor is consulting her diaries and will provide full story and provenace for all these items to the lucky bidder. We have also come across various bits of Questing paperwork etc which we are ‘throwing in’ with the artefacts rather than selling them seperately. We want whoever obtains these materials to be thoroughly satisfied.
Happy Trails
Andy
who has never been on a Psychic Quest in his life!Hi,
A few points:
The items you mention are all known to the people involved in the Questing scene, and I presumed wouldn’t need much explanation. However it’s years since I read the books and Gaynor tells me that some of the items may not have been included.
The Isis Locket was quested following a Ouija session (at which Graham P was present) right at the beginning of the Green Stone sage
The 5 rings were quested from (I think the Holy Well in Terry Shotton’s garden)
The pink stone is one of the many stones discovered and if I understand it correctly there was one for each bit of the Quabbalah which matched the colours of each
Ditto the white stone
The Green Stone and the Meonia casket is rather obviousIf anyone involved in the bidding wished further information please contact me privately.
And as regards Gaynor not wanting to be know in all this, someone referred to that not being possible due to my book writing. Utter nonsense I’m afraid. There’s only the Questing people who (now) know I’m even married to Gaynor. The simple facts are that gaynor is not interested in talking about the Questing times becauise it’s all been said before. Her part in it finished a long time ago. It’s up to others if they want to play a part, and I’m afraid this rather petty nit picking only goes to reinforce her desire to be free of these items.
Happy Trails
Andy
Hi,
This is a reply to Yuri’s post.
It’s true, a book written by Gaynor would (if a publisher could be found) raise much more than the current bid of £5,500 on the artefacts.
But, as I’ve noted, she no longer wants anything to do with the Green Stone etc, hence the disposal. You need to remember that all the events Gaynor was involved in took place over 20 years ago, when effectively she was a child/teenager. Since then she’s had several lives, children and doesn’t want the story to be following her forever. The adverse publicity she may receive if a book was written could affect her job, how people in the community see her etc etc. Also, and unfortunately, gaynor has had several bad experiences with what can only be described a nutters who have become attracted to the Green Stone saga and she now feels her part in the saga is over and it’s up to other people. Whether these will be people now or people who locate the artefacts in years hence if the sale doesn’t take place, remains to be seen.
But thanks to everyone for these sort of queries as I’m sure it clarifies the situation.
Happy Trails
AndyHi,
I must apologise! You’re correct, the Eye of Fire was destroyed. Because Gaynor has been quite ill with grief and the associated physical symptoms since Marion died she got a little confused and when looking at the stones thought one of them was the Eye of Fire. It’s not and is in fact one of the other stones discovered, the ‘pink stone’ (which very closely resembles TEOF). This was apparently quested for and discovered during the mid 80s at a time when TEOF and other artefects were destroyed by people who felt they were unable to cope with their powers. Please accept my apologies for the confusion, but I’m sure you can imagine the stress Gaynor’s been under. The rest of the artefacts are as Gaynor says they are. She retrieved them from the safety depost box yesterday and went through them very carefully. There is also a large, old, parchment which was located under a tomstone somewhere but about which, at the moment, Gaynor can’t recall any further details.
And to Yuri – Yuri, the items will only go the highest bidder if Gaynor and I think they can be trusted to look after these items and use them for ‘correct’ purposes. Gaynor was around the Questing scene for a number of years and those who know her will have no doubts about her motives. I’ve been involved in strange phenomena, the occult and other fringe areas of consciousness exploration since the 1970s and I’m only too aware of letting items such as this fall into the ‘wrong’ hands. I’ve been looking into the background of some of the bidders who we don’t know either personally or via others and there’s already been one extremely high bid which we haven’t taken, purely because of the people behind it.
As I’ve said to Andy C, Gaynor would much rather the items stayed within the Questing community and, if at all possible, that’s where they will stay. However, considering the impact and effect these items have had on the lives of Gaynor and Marion (and especially Gaynor) it’s not unreasonable that a ‘reasonable’ sum of money is raised for them.
And as for burying them in an ‘unmarked grave’ – doesn’t this just demonstrate that money isn’t the absolute end – the idea of them being buried and then either searched for by contemporary questers, or discovered in, say, a thousand years by baffled archaeologists, amuses and appeals to us. And why not?Happy Trails
AndyHi,
I note the recent posts regarding the Questing artefacts and would like to comment in Michael’s posts:
* Yuri commented that he had seen Andrew and Sue Collins just recently, and they were dismayed that the items were up for sale in this manner.
If people are dismayed, just what did they expect Gaynor to do with them? Equally, if they are dismayed they are avaible to purchase at a reasonable price. Taking some form of action, rather than being ‘dismayed’ would seem to be in order I think. ‘Dismayed’ will not alter reality.
* Some of us had wondered if Andrew, Graham Philips and Martin Keatman would have a claim on the items, though as it stands Gaynor has them and I suppose that is that.
Gaynor has the right to do with them as she wishes.
* There were also questions on how their authenticity could be verified. Yuri had thought that Terry Shotton had destroyed the Eye of Fire for instance.
Was Yuri there at this event? ‘Thought’ won’t create a reality which didn’t exist. The Eye of Fire was not destroyed and currently nestles next to the other stones. All the artefacts are the genuine items.
* Just what constitutes a reasonable offer?
That will be clear – or not – by March 11th. If a reasonable offer hasn’t been received (and that doesn’t necessarily mean the *highest* offer, as we are keen the artefacts will remain within the Questing community) by then the artefacts will be buried in a remote location, unknown to anyone other than Gaynor and I, and will hopefully confuse archaeologists many centuries hence.
* My own feelings are that it would be a shame for the items to end up as just something in a private collection (though admitedly, if I had enough to make a ‘reasonable’ offer I would be tempted – sad bugger that I am!), but I’m not certain of the alternative. Should a group of sympathetic people contribute to a group offer, where the items would be collectively owned and potentially available?
One of the offers currently under consideration is just that – an offer from a group of people who have raised the money to try and obtain the Questing artefacts. Whilst I wasn’t connected with any of the Quests I think the amount they will go for is positively paltry considering the very real power these artefacts appear to exercise in the phenomenal world.
Regards
Andy
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