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tI am glad that the debate over the future of the Green Stone has hotted up. Simon, the moderator, has been most fair and objective in his dealings and allowed reasonable and necessary freedom of debate without interfrence. Which is a bit more than ‘Meugher’ who seems to think he has some right to censor others thoughts and opinions. So you may be married to a lady who was closely involved in the story but that doesn’t make you either an arbritator or wise counsel. And as for being allegedly “motivated by sour grapes and bitterness” since when did you do become an expert on long-distance psychotherapy? ‘Meugher’s agressive iconaclastic secularism seems that he needs to fill his existenalist void by downgrading others experiences and personal theories that suggest an otherworldly origin. As an individual who likes to parade himself in the world of paranormal publishing and web blogs spitting out his own brand of personal invective and churlish rantings against those whom he thinks he knows better, it’s a bit rich coming from ‘Meugher’. So don’t lecture me on my right to free opinion and thought.
Yuri’s comments seem very fair and I agree that the history of Meonia is almost certainly not all “love and light”. Far from it. Like any sacred object involved in a conflict of competiting ideologies it probably served both masters of light and dark, and often those in the grey (such is the manner of human nature).
I agree too with Yuri that theer has descended upon this object a bizarre “cloak of apathy” from those originally involved. No doubt people have more material concerns after those events have long passed.
To respond to ‘Meugher’, just because he may be a pal of Andrew Collins doesn’t mean to say that he is right. It seems like, if his posting is anything to go by, that it’s already been decided and Mr Collins is regarded as the main man for guardianship?
I am fully aware that websites serve many functions but let’s be honest here I was just making an observation that it would it would have been appropriate to at least publicly recognise her death, being as she was such an important individual in the whole affair and at the very least a close personal friend at one time. That is all the point I was making. I do not see how it could be construed as “tacky” or “vulgar”, how incredulous, what do you think the public memorium columns in newspapers are for? But this is a sensitive and not not entirely relevent issue so I’m dropping it.
I would like to say that Andrew Collinsmay or may not be a nice man, who loves sweet little children and little kittens, but the point I was trying to amke ( and which has eluded some) is that his meddling with certain spiritual powers is both highly irresponsible and dangerous. Don’t some of you there get it??? Just because Joe Bloggs is a nice man or woman does not stop them from being used by malevolent energies, whatever Joe Bloggs nature and intentions. Too call this “paranoid tittle-tattle” is more an indication of the writer’s own barely disguised ego and ignorance than an indication of my own paranoia. For your information ‘Meugher’ Imy job is with an intrenational hi-tech company which enatils me travelling around the country and meeting all kinds of customers. I would not be in a position to kep my job for long if I was paranoid or barking mad. I do not use drugs, not even for :recreational” purposes or drink, so my mind is not addled. I have spent many years both in the UK and abroad travelling and meeting spiritual masters, yogis, adepts and religious people to study and learn. I still ave a long, long way to go before even touching on enlightenment but I have learnt much and if you can do me a favour then it is this: I am merely warning of the dangers of individuals who meddle and call upon spiritual powers without thought to the consequences and nature of what they do. I do not necessarily accept that what Collins worked with was the spirit of Crowley, or anyone for that matter. That is perhaps irrelevent. What he did was to work with something that took on the appearance of Crowley and used his own ego, vanity and lust for knowledge or gain to lead him to certain goals, to fed off him and vicer versa. We do not know if this energy is now partly or fully submerged within his consciousness. He was warnd about this by Marion as far back as 1979 yet he proceeded with it in later years. AllI ask from the men and women of the psychic questing community is to be wary of the kind of powers that may now be vying for control of this sacred artifact. Some of you accept the reality of psychic questing and psychic powers and energies and apports and such like, but few of you seem to be ready to recognise, let alone accept or prepared to deal with, the actualite of the spiritual realms that these emanate from. We are dealing with real spiritual dimensions and immense forces, not all of which are predisposed to the spiritual welfare of man.
The Green Stone itself is one such example of a an object that due to its spiritual power is a crosroads where such spiritual powers confron one another. Human dupes, willing or unwilling, are used by the forces of Light and Dark, and humans often tend to operate in the grey.
It would be irresponsible for the Green Stone to be delegated to an individual who has willingly been involved with seemingly darker forces. Andrew Collins may have been working in the Light many years ago at the time he was working with the Sunderlands, but his more recent forays into the underworld leave serious misgivings to his current integrity and the saftey of the Green Stone.
I have no personal involvement or investment in the either the Green Stone nor of anyone esle involved. I do not wish to own the Green Stone(besides because of my financial commitments I do not have those kinds of funds readily available), and I wish the objects to be accessible to all in the “questing community”. Personally iIwould prefer Simon or the moderators of this website to have possession. But we must leave the decision solely to its current custodian who no doubt has enough on her mind at this moment. If she wishes it to go to anyone – or to be reburied at a secret location – then let her be guided by Spirit.
John
The Psychic Questing “Community” should be wary as to the motives behind the leadership of the Consortium planning to bid for the Green Stone since the sad death of its former custodian, Marion Sunderland.
Since her untimely death there has ben NOTHING on either A Collin’s website or G Phillip’s site about her death. Nowhere on Andrew Collin’s site is there ANY mention of the death of the woman who was instrumental in finding the Green Stone and who played such a pivotal part in the other quests. News about Collin’s books, yes, his current projects, what he likes for dinner, and what his latest money-making venture is, but NOTHING about the death of someone who helped him in his early work in founding psychic questing and his later career. How very sad
I am extremely sceptical about Andrew Collin’s use of the stone when and if he gets his hands on them. Others in the subject have tried in vain to use the objects that he refers to in his books. I doubt very much that he will consent to the stone and associated objects being used by other people, whether or not they contributed to the Consortium. Once they are in his possession they will be his property and no doubt he will feel that he is the true and rightful owner and not let them out of his sight. If the members of the Consortium are happy in being fobbed off with a quick one-dau Andy Collin’s special in holding the stone for the first and last time, then that’s a matetr for them. But be certain that once he gains possession of it you’ll be unlikely to be invited to another hands-on ceremony and never have use of oit again.
When people talk about the objects remaining within the psychic questing community, read “Andy Collins”. He may have founded the subject and been a key player but that does not necessarily mean that he is the only player. We ALL should be included in this community.
Furthermore, since Collin’s foray into the quest for the holy grail using the demonic guidance of a former black magician (Crowley) and being used by certain unknown but very dangerous powers in that quest (a fact that Collins was all too aware about since the late Marion Sunderland actually advised him against working with the likes of the certain “Helen” back in 1979 at the onset of the Meonia quest ,who had been involved in some dark occult practices), I am VERY cautious about allowing Andy Collins taking charge of a powerful talismanic stone that could now be put to dubious and even demonic use. Of course, I do not think that he is demonic and would knowingly misuse the artifact, any more than any other object in his possession, BUT the kind of demonic guidance and dubious guides and influences that he has surrounded himself with now means that potentially and realistically he is in a position to be influenced and guided in such a manner as to be used by demonic powers and intelligences for their own ends, even if he may think that he is being positive/doing the right thing/on the side of Light/ is too strong an individual/knows what he is doing etc etc.
Please all those within the Psychic Questing Community – be aware, be very aware…
