Harvesting of Body Parts?

[imported_YURIMember]

Yep, Michael,

I have thought all the J the B things you have suggested, and all the ideas are fascinating… but frustratingly, keep ducking and diving evidence… having said that, it certainly appears that the Graal is more akin to the Platter and head of John, rather than any cup or chalice.

Yes, john’s head made into a cup… like Wayland is doing on the Franks Casket! Mmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Yes, too, to another apostolic succession to that of Peter and Rome.

definitly.

[imported_supernaturalistMember]

I know Yuri, the ‘ducking and diving evidence’ is frustrating. There are lots of things that are suggestive of …something, but its all very conjectural. If ever a quest needed an physical artifact to turn up and provide some indisputable evidence, this is one. Alas, I fear the cosmic joker wont allow it! But who knows?

I’m looking forward to seeing the Franks Casket for myself at the end of April. Hmmmmm, indeed. (As a bonus there is a Michaelangelo exhibition also at the British Museum, and an exhibition on Gothic Art at Tate Britain.)

Michael

[imported_YURIMember]

Just a quick post to connect up threads; from here to this thread about the Four Grail Hallows.

http://www.psychicquesting.com/ftopicp-457.html#457

Assuming the Graal is the dish/platter that John’s head was served to salome upon; one of the first Grail Romances, ‘The High History’ also narrates the quest of Sir Gawain to find the sword that decapitated John the Baptist.

Infact, it seems to me that the ‘High History’ is more about the Baptist’s mystery than it is Jesus. and as Michael suggested, probably does hold hidden reference to an alternative apostolic succesion than that of Peter n Rome.

[imported_supernaturalistMember]

You might already know about this one Yuri, but I’ve just come across it in the last week or so. It is a dialogue between James and the risen Jesus from the Apocryphon of James. The text doesn’t say which James, it is assumed to be James the brother of Jesus. According to Dankart Kirchner (who treats it in “New Testament Apocrypha Volume One: Gospels and Related Writings” edited by Wilhelm Schneemelcher, 1991) it is arguable on grounds of comparison to other texts to date the Apocryphon as early as the second half of the first century, and no later than the mid-second century. He also thinks it has a Syrian/Palestinian origin.

Quote:

Then I asked him, “Lord, how shall we be able to prophesy to those who request us to prophesy to them? For there are many who ask us, and look to us to hear an oracle from us.”
The Lord answered and said, “Do you not know that the head of prophecy was cut off with John?”
But I said, “Lord, can it be possible to remove the head of prophecy?”
The Lord said to me, “When you come to know what ‘head’ means, and that prophecy issues from the head, (then) understand the meaning of ‘Its head was removed.’ At first I spoke to you in parables, and you did not understand; now I speak to you openly, and you (still) do not perceive. Yet, it was you who served me as a parable in parables, and as that which is open in the (words) that are open.

You can also find the full text at the excellent Gnostic Society Library: [url:3kmfblb9]http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/jam.html[/url]

According to Kirchner the pre-Easter Jesus has to speak in parables because he is unable to speak as a prophet and revealer since the ‘head of prophecy’ was cut off with John, whereas the risen Jesus is able to speak as a revealer. I’m not sure if that is a reasonable interpretation or not (perhaps when Jesus says he is speaking openly rather than in parables he just means that he isn’t speaking figuratively when he is talking about the ‘head of prophecy’?), but it’s certainly an interesting identification of the power of prophecy with the person of JtheB, or at least his head, and dated (probably) to within a hundred years at most of John’s beheading.

Edit: I should have checked 21st Century Grail to see if its in there before posting, as I reckon that there is a good chance that it might be. Oh well, I’ve posted now.
Edit: Nope, don’t think it’s in there.

Michael

[imported_YURIMember]

Thanks Michael

Thats new to me, and I’ll cut and paste it into my own files… very interesting… its making John sound a lot like a Bran figure.

Lots to think about, cheers.

[imported_SimonMember]

Hi Yuri,

More on the head front. Whilst searching today for something completely unrelated (templars and altered states of consciousness) I came across the following odd trail.

Firstly on a web page about Templars and Cannabis:

“The Mahavira Vessel, like the Templars mysterious idol, is referred to as a head. To the ancient worshipper the Mahavira vessel represented the decapitated head of Makha, from whose wound flowed forth the Elixir of Life. “

Thinking of you, I tried to follow that up and find the original Indian/Sufi (?) myth to which this referred. Instead I found a reference to an article suggesting that the tale of Gawain and the Green Knight was based on an old Vedic story. Again I haven’t been able to find a direct link to this text but here is a link to a pay-per-view site: [url:1o3pky3l]http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0038-7134(194401)19%3A1%3C104%3ASGATGK%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N[/url]. As mentioned previously, the Gawain tales have fairly well acknowledged Celtic antecedents – so could there be a Celtic/Indian link?

What makes this all more than a little curious is that my great-uncle was a Celtic scholar who studied the possible linguistic links between ancient Gaelic and Sanskrit. I only discovered this about four days ago when my parents were telling me how they had just returned from a lecture on Gaelic/Sanskrit links which was given to commerate him. It’s almost as if my great-uncle was aware that I had just realised what he had been about and then said “alright then let me throw this your way”.

[imported_YURIMember]

Cheers Simon, its all very interesting.

The decapitated head does seem to be a universal icon that apears in most cultures. Andy C. I know, in his new book (out later in the year) speaks quite a bit about Orpheous’ head, as another archetype.

Yet all the similar, different cultures focus on different aspects. In Gawain and the Green Knight, the whole tit for tat beheading thing is a test of Gawains integrity… I’m not aware that it infers to any ‘elixir of life’… then again, many will see the ‘Green Knight’ as the Green Man, the power of nature and fertility; so ‘life itself’ in many ways.

stranger and stranger… someone should create a list of all the different oracle heads around the globe.

p.s. Have added info of sanskrit/vedic ‘head’ to encyclopedia

http://www.psychicquesting.com/modules. … lar%20Head
Your great-uncle’s story sounds fascinating, maybe you could put a paragraph or two about his work into the questing encyclopedia

How was your trip to France?

[imported_PercevalMember]

Hi all,

Just thought I’d throw this into the mix…

The legend of the “Skull of Sidon” provides an origin for the skull and crossbones symbol:

Quote:

A great lady of Maraclea was loved by a Templar, A Lord of Sidon; but she died in her youth, and on the night of her burial, this wicked lover crept to the grave, dug up her body and violated it. Then a voice from the void bade him return in nine months time for he would find a son. He obeyed the injunction and at the appointed time he opened the grave again and found a head on the leg bones of the skeleton (skull and crossbones). The same voice bade him ‘guard it well, for it would be the giver of all good things’, and so he carried it away with him. It became his protecting genius, and he was able to defeat his enemies by merely showing them the magic head. In due course, it passed to the possession of the order.

From The Holy Blood and The Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Richard Leigh and Henry Lincoln [url:37cnctbc]http://www.templarhistory.com/sidon.html[/url]

I fancy I can detect something of the ‘Binary Soul Doctrine’ [url:37cnctbc]http://www.geocities.com/divisiontheory/[/url], in this legend, but maybe I’m reading too much into it (I’m trying out this theory on all kinds of myths/legends right now, having just discovered it – like a kid with a new toy!).

[imported_YURIMember]

Binary is a cool idea Perceval, why not create a thread and give a short explanation of it.

I myself believe that we are all working with two sets of past-lives,

1; the first set is your dna memory, that resides in your body, with which you are linked to all your great great great grandparents etc, back to the source… and all of that can be tapped into.

2; you also have your soul memories of different incarnations into all sorts or racial, cultural, dna packages, throughout the ages (one good reason why racism is so stuipid; as we are all of us, of many races).

I believe that philosophies of higher and lower self are bound up in this. I dont percieve higher as better or lower as worse, but simply, one self is body (dna) the other self is soul.

[imported_SimonMember]

Yuri – article on MD added to Encyclopaedia as well as some others.

Link is here: [url:e0bv6eas]http://www.psychicquesting.com/modules.php?name=Guiki&MODE=SHOW&PAGE=Myles%20Dillon[/url]

France was great – very rustic and mellow but unfortunately I didn’t get close to St Clare sur Epte. The nearest I got to anything like that was William the Conqueror’s castle in Falaise. If there was any “inkling” at all it was when I got back to the UK and a particulat coincidence pointed to the Templar presence in Limoges. However, I haven’t had a chance to check out what kind of presence they had there or what it might connect to. (By the way Acts X was also part of that little sequence but I haven’t looked that up either.)

[imported_PercevalMember]

Will do Yuri, but all in good time. I went and bought one of Novak’s book’s – ‘The Lost Secret of Death’ http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/157174 … e&n=283155 – over 300 pages, but a bargain at ~£6. Fascinating stuff.

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